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In People v. Lymon, Michigan Supreme Court No. 164685, Decided July 29, 2028, held that the 2021 Michigan SORA constituted cruel and unusual punishment when applied to kidnapping minors, a non-sexual act, and vacated in part the holding under of the Michigan Court of Appeals:
Partial Syllabus (2 Justices of 7 Dissented)
2. Const 1963, art 1, § 16 prohibits the state from inflicting cruel or unusual punishment. The first inquiry under that constitutional provision was whether the 2021 SORA constituted punishment. To determine whether a statute constitutes punishment, the court must first determine whether the Legislature intended the statute as a criminal punishment or a civil remedy. If the statute imposes a disability for the purpose of reprimanding the wrongdoer, the Legislature likely intended the statute as a criminal punishment. However, if the statute imposes a disability to further a legitimate governmental purpose, the Legislature likely intended the statute as a civil remedy. If the court determines that the Legislature intended the statute as criminal punishment, then the court must conclude that the statute is indeed punishment. However, if the court determines that the Legislature intended the statute as a civil remedy, the court must then consider whether the statutory scheme is so punitive either in purpose or effect as to negate the state’s intention to deem it civil. The Legislature’s intent will be rejected only when a party challenging the statute provides the clearest proof that the statutory scheme is so punitive either in purpose or effect as to negate the state’s intention to deem it civil. In this case, the reasoning from Betts was adopted to conclude that the Legislature intended the 2021 SORA as a civil regulation; accordingly, the pertinent determination was whether the statutory scheme was so punitive either in purpose or effect as to negate the state’s intention to deem it civil.
Does anyone with a pacer account know what is up with the Tennessee Sorna case Doe v lee https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/51749758/Doe_v_Lee_et_al
looks like it was also waiting on the People v. Lymon as it started moving around the same time that decision came out maybe this case is looking for guidance?
Once again we see how nazi like rso laws may very well be the end of the greatest country the world has ever known.:
The latest: Kentucky sheriff faces murder charge over courthouse killing of judge
Published 915am Sept 20th
Stines was expected to give a deposition related to a 2022 lawsuit on Monday, the Courier Journal reported. The lawsuit accused a former deputy sheriff of offering a woman “favorable treatment for sexual favors.”Stines was expected to give a deposition related to a 2022 lawsuit on Monday, the Courier Journal reported. The lawsuit accused a former deputy sheriff of offering a woman “favorable treatment for sexual favors.”
Terms like “disability rights” and “disability barriers” are often a foreign language in both advocacy and litigation efforts to redress civil rights violations caused by those in government. As a result, there is an entire body of law that is continuously unexplored in the quest to right the wrongs in how those in government treat people.
History teaches us that many times the civil rights of the disability community arise by piggybacking off litigation that involves plaintiff’s who do not have disabilities, or that is not part of the asserted claims. For example, Sanderson v. Bailey, et al., No. 4:23CV1242 (E.D. Mo 2024) centers on the unlawful state requirement to post Halloween signs, in violation of the First Amendment. A worthy and valuable cause of action to pursue and if won, will benefit the disability community equal to the benefits people without disabilities will enjoy. This is piggyback litigation.
The University of Connecticut, Department of Economics Working Paper Series points out, in its July 2013 article “”Piggyback” Lawsuits and Deterrence: Can Frivolous Litigation Improve Welfare?” , that piggyback litigation can actually help classes of people who are not direct parties in the action filed but nevertheless benefit, in some way, from the case being litigated. If the case is appealed, the case law serves as a reference point for or against claims or defenses that might be pursued later, by a person or a class of people, later, who were not parties in the original action filed.
While piggyback litigation helps underrepresented classes in courts, such as the disability community, do people without disabilities benefit from piggyback litigation filed by someone with disabilities? While it depends on the specific claims asserted, what courts rule and why, in general, the answer is yes, as anytime litigation occurs, especially appellate reviews, it establishes a legal road map. And although it is preferred to file a case in a judicial circuit favorable to the desired outcome, filing in cases in a circuit that may be hostile to the claims, is equally beneficial in the long-run.
The Americans with Disabilities Act is a powerful federal tool that would go a long way in challenging a great number of issues that registry laws, rules, regulations and policies create and impose. But, for whatever reason advocacy agencies continue to overlook these federal laws when deciding cases that ‘they want’ litigated. Cases that would benefit people without disabilities equal to the benefits that people with disabilities obtain, by piggyback litigation.
The past and current trajectory and the foreseeable future course of cases litigated center on whether registry laws, regulations, rules or policies are constitutional. As long as this course is followed, in what cases will be filed in courts, then people with disabilities will remain underrepresented in challenging a number of registry laws, rules, regulations and policies that violate federal statutory laws pursuant to the Americans with Disabilities Act. Is this really the right way to pursue things????
I read an article where a public official that took $63,000 in bribes took his life when Feds came to arrest him. He might have gotten 3yrs in club fed and then his life back. I was thinking, we as a group must be the toughest guys around. We not only have to deal with family and friends abandoning us, but public scorn, death threats, public listing, restrictions of movement, constant law harassment, loss of wages. Yet we soldier on. How many of us would admit to receiving bribes, selling drugs, or even worse if we didn’t have to deal with the registry.
Greetings, current and former (enviously lookin’ at you, and others, @Notorious D.I.K.) Price Club Members.
In the next year or two, it’s highly likely I will need to move closer to Illinois. I’m smart enough to avoid that bankrupt, poor excuse for a State, but I’m hoping others can help with alternatives. I’ve already looked at the (dated) Summary doc on here and I’ve looked at Atwo Zee’s Thumbscrew ratings and map. While I have a little bit of info from my years on here, I’m hoping for some objective, armchair-expert input from those with knowledge of a handful of States.
The States I’m considering are: WI, TN, MI. I’ve looked at MO and KY, too, but they seem rather unappealing for a Member. IA just doesn’t work for my situation. MN could, except for the heavy tax burden.
Please chime in with experiences, knowledge gleaned, and anything else that can help increase my knowledge and decision-making.
Thanks!
P.S. Yes, I do still come ’round these parts now and again but unless it’s some issue I happen to see that interests me or a court case of use, I rarely post anymore. I found it tended to irk more than soothe. Cheers!
I heard Ron De Sanctimonious said that it is State law that every community has at least one pet friendly storm shelter, I wonder if the same applies to people forced to register?????? Or are they less important than pets?
Hello,
I’m not sure where to post this question aside from here. Halloween is coming up and I’m looking to see where I can find what the restrictions are for RSOs that are not on parole or probation. My husband completed probation years ago yet this topic is a constant worry for us every year. I’ve searched on here and have seen that only those on parole/probation have restrictions. Once you’re off, you’re restriction free. Is there anywhere that has this in writing? We reside in California. Any help would be appreciated.
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Gee wiz, who didn’t see this coming …….🤔. They will have to change laws or 1/2 the student population in the U.S. will be have a record and be on the registry within 3 yrs.
I listened to this podcast yesterday Amplified Voices
I highly recommend it if you have a loved one, especially a child, who committed a sex offense and is on the registry. I don’t know how I have been a part of this community searching for connection with other women with impacted loved ones for over four years and I did not know about Restorative Action Alliance, but their web site has valuable resources.
WOMEN: I know you are out there, I see your posts occasionally especially when Janice has success and you thank her. I am telling you we need to become a force. We need to learn to speak up and advocate with facts, with our stories, and with confidence. Most of us (at least in certain generations) were not raised to be heard, and therefore we are timid or don’t think our thoughts and words have strength and value. I am telling you, F#@k that – we have plenty to say and we are in the best position to advocate and make progress towards registry abolition. It may take time, but whatever, and we may have to chip away, but again, whatever. The goal is abolition, this registry scheme is an unjust atrocity.
Practice here. Right here on this forum practice speaking your mind and putting your thoughts into words. It is a safe space and I have been using the anonymity to get my head together safely. Do I say stupid things sometimes? Maybe. Have I been wrong or corrected at times? Likely, but it is all teaching me to be more articulate, to defend my positions, and to stand my ground with confidence. It is preparing me for advocacy so I can step out from behind Athena and proudly tell my family’s story of pain, anguish, fear, and hope…all with a life of injustice on the registry.
The ACSOL conference tipped me into new territory, as did this podcast. Hearing people’s stories gives me strength. Hearing how they are moving forward positively gives me hope. We must lift each other up – women I am talking to you, we are strong and capable and it’s time. Please do whatever you need to do to gain courage and learn how to advocate. Please post your stories and comments, please use others here who are so willing to propel us – there are many. You are not alone and we can make a difference.
I was just reading a news article about a Louisiana man sentence to 50 years for the following charges:
The judge set the five 10-year sentences to run consecutively for a total of 50 years.
I couldn’t find any additional information about the case, victim’s age, etc., but 50 years just seems insanely excessive. 😳
I hope the people of Louisiana enjoy their tax dollars going to support such lengthy imprisonments. 🤨
I’m wondering if the tier system has any affect on prosecuting sex crimes. If the justice system knows that the person could be placed in a low tier, they might go for harsher penalties, such as longer sentences. Also, have parole probation checks increased in the hopes of tacking on charges that could negate a person’s chance of removal. I know it sounds like conspiracy stuff, but it isn’t paranoia if they are actually out to get you………….
Has anyone removed from the registry been successful at joining Facebook? I am on Instagram, but for business purposes would like to have a facebook account as well. I have a library of instructional videos that I want to post. I am holding off until my removal ( 7 months to petition….🥳) so as not to have to face any issues. I still plan to do the digital nomad route for at least 1yr. Have four areas in Europe that should be good to work from.
Therapists say that much of the stress and anxiety faced by formerly incarcerated people is the insecurity of income. States routinely offer help to felons find jobs to reduce recidivism, yet go out of their way to avoid helping PFRs. I’m sure they do this for their public image. But an already low recidivism rate could be helped even more by not worrying about this. I bet the majority of PFRs are more highly educated, trained and experienced than any other group of convicted. Yet our skills go unused because of a list. One more reason to at least make the registry a law enforcement viewing only. Most countries that have a registry don’t make it public, and those that do limit the listing to the most violent of people. Even then, when finished with parole/probation, they are often removed from public viewing. Maybe the next step in the evolution of the registry should be to advocate for the abolishment of the public format.
I contacted the Ukrainian embassy a few months ago. I have 12 yrs experience as a bomb tech. I assumed they would be interested in me volunteering to help them. They were,to say the least, happy that I called them. Then came the bad news. Because of my misdemeanor conviction, they wouldn’t be able to move forward.
Now I understand that it is their legislature( oh wow, surprise? Politicians) that made this a prerequisite, but damn. This is yet another example of how a conviction ( for anything really ) can upend your life. I was also turned down by a wildlife volunteer organization in Africa for the same reasons.
The concept that a person may redeem themselves is complete BS in human society. We as convicted persons are immediately and permanently tossed aside and ignored.
I wonder if there was a federal military draft and they needed bodies to go and die for some ridiculous political cause, would they suddenly look the other way and draft a PFR……. 🤔
Here’s one for all of you that like to investigate stuff.
I was convicted under a name that was not my birth name. Long story, but I was using my stepfather’s name when I joined Military , so that became my legal name.
Now I want to change it back, legally. I have no blood connection to the name I use, I have my birth certificate showing my original full name and I am not on parole or probation. I assume the court will grant this petition. I understand also that I cannot be on the registry when petitioning.
My question is, Once changed will ICE be able to track my travels. I figure the governmental red tape would reduce that chance.